Or a green laser, it's really your choice. Put 150 rounds through it with no problems at all. I have many in my stockpile as well. There just isnt much there for to catch on anything. You show real dedication and knowledge. Thanks for all the info! A VERY thorough article. P365. The front sight stands out in all lighting conditions. I have not owned a firearm in years and have been looking for something small and compact to carry. I dont want to spend another 25 30 percent of the pistol cost so I can aim the damn thing. I dont have any issue hand feeding rounds in the mag. Thank You. Just because you can shoot this particular firearm well, doesnt necessarily mean most could due to your level of experience va the average gun owner and I appreciate the observations made all round. I spoke to SIG today and they are re-projecting the launch of the manual safety version of the P365 by the end of May (up from Feb/March, then March/April.). With my Glock 43, it just seems I have to concentrate much more on the sight picture, and even then, it sometimes isnt enough when shots go where I do not expect them to. Again, as I stated in the article, my own personal Glock 43 has been less reliable than the P365. Grip: polymer Frame: stainless steel Slide: stainless steel Finish: coyote tan MSRP: $649 *** Buy and Sell on GunsAmerica! But if I were king for a day, I would have stretched it out just a bit. I did very minimal cleaning throughout the 5,000 rounds fired as part of this evaluation, only stopping about every 500 rounds to make sure the P365 was well lubricated. Even if peening occurred, I didnt feel it would be a failure point several thousand rounds down the road. But the P365 is also fine. But thanks for the kind compliment about the review!! Would it have to be milled? The mag. 15 rd mag? Still going strong. High power output of 600 lumes Made of durable AL6061-T6 aluminum alloy USB rechargeable battery Adjustable rail Very compact and lightweight Easy attachment and manipulation Available in 3 different colors - Black, OD Green, Desert Tan Pros Very high power output of 600 lumens USB rechargeable battery Fits a high variety of handguns Cons The problem is that most shooters do not have a good grip, and their lack of this has not been an issue on other guns theyve fired. Watch this video of me running a Bill Drill with the gun (done at 3.5 yards and shooting a 2.5 group in 1.94 seconds). Premium Concealed Carry Holsters Search by Gun IWB Holsters OWB Holsters Revolver Accessories Instructions About Blog FAQ's Contact Us Search by Gun Canik Canik TP9SF IWB Holsters OWB Holsters Revolver Accessories Instructions About Blog FAQ's Contact Us What are you looking for? According to SIG Sauer, it is unclear exactly how many of these occurred, but it is a limited number. A pocket sized civilian gun that is relatively easy to take down to see and handle all of its moving parts for cleaning sounds like a great idea. Capacity is where the P365 gets the most significant amount of attention, and rightfully so. I like the XRAY3 Day/Night sights, especially how the rear sight tritium vials are very visible but appear blacked out during daylight conditions drawing your attention to the front sight. I prefer to carry without a holster, using a Clip Draw. I have pretty much targeted the p365 for my next handgun purchase. I tested the guns with minimal cleaning. StreamLight TLR-1 HL Rail-Mounted Light From $131 - Check Availability At Amazon This pistol light is ideal for compact and full-sized handguns. Great article, Riley! So I wanted to thank you for being honest and really putting in the work on this review!! I never thought it was much of an issue. The P365 is a pistol you can carry 365 days a year and is unrivaled in its innovation, quality, and reliability. Tomorrow morning Ill try Winchester Ranger RA9T. Thanks for the effort and write-up. A close-up of the fitment and detail of the 12-round extended magazine. It seemed to be a very thorough and impartial review, addressing the things I hoped to see plus several things that I never thought about. Riley, I am a little unclear on this. The P365 comes with a set of SIG night sights for low light performance. But lets take a look at some of the noted issues that have come up: In the first month or so of release, customers reported RTB failures. Personally, I have three. However, even if a person were to have a problem with their gun, SIG Sauer has one of the best warranty and customer service programs in the industry. Riley, man your review really free many of the (not concerns) negative issues that some earlier owners posted online. Here's your chance to own a stippled Sig P365-XMacro that is made to order and customized to your exact specifications! You can fit the SIG P365 SAS inside your pants or vest pocket easily without worrying about snags. I bought mine First of October and it has been totally reliable. Perhaps next year! Again thank you for dispelling the many haters and rumors that float around about 2018s best gun or the year (my opinion).I think many people are just not yet ready to let go of the idea that their 43 or shield has been dethroned. With sidecar spare mag pouch. All Firearms; All Ammunition; All Accessories; Magazines; Hot Items! Yes, I do. Results in over 3000 rounds, no malfunctions at all. Due to the trigger guard undercut and other grip design features, I can sneak about half of my pinky onto the gun's grip. You will see that the P365 falls above this standard. Im not sure about the bar could break, but what do I know? I presume this is why it garnered more attention. I think they did an excellent job. But these ones look like good ones! Its proportioned nicely for smaller hands. Once it breaks, there is no perceptible overtravel. While shooting fast, you geta very bright front sight that is easy to find in the rear notch. Awesome! I would consider an I have seen numberous discussions about this issue but I dont think its actually an issue. I appreciate your honesty and sharing your knowledge while breaking it down Barney style for gun dummies like me. Please check it out and see if your observations are the same as mine. OBNXS1, you asked about something that I totally meant to mention in the write-upthe follower wear. After the P365, SIG Sauer came up with a more compact, snag-free design in the SIG P365 SAS. I just cant wrap my mind around the many different types of failures. Thank you. Recieved our rental 365 back in May. {{ data.quantity.unit }}. Do I consider this good enough for personal defense, including EDC (Everyday Carry)? There are other good rounds out there. That means that when it fires the same cartridge as a full-sized gun, the lighter slide is moving faster over a shorter distance. Rare Items! Unless youre in a closet (no lights) you cant see the sights. Summer, 365 X 2. If that is true, they, in no way, can be described as awesome, fantastic, very bright, etc, as Ive read in many reviews. capacity wasnt an issue. Thank you for the kind words, Gunny! Magazines are a consumable item, try replacing it, or the spring & follower, and see if that corrects your issue. Are you going to do a follow-up blog/video? As with any gun, you should do testing with a minimum of 500 rounds of your carry ammo. Look at whats going on with Colts re-release of the Colt Python and King Cobra. And I am certainly not worried in the slightest about a catastrophic failure. I'm done evaluating them, so now I will give them an extensive cleaning. The Macro-Compact Grip Module features a standard 1913 accessory rail, an integrally compensated optics-ready slide with their XRAY3 day/night sights, and a flat trigger. I am sure some will disagree with my findings, but I can only speak from my own experience and data. Do you think this would handle Underwood Extreme Defender 90 gr., 1400 fps ammo? Carried a Glock for most of my career, love them, but hate their feel. If you get this malfunction business behind you, sales are going to skyrocket yet again WELL beyond what youve ever seen before! I have not put a trigger scale on it to test, but I would say 6 lbs. I examined one of these pistols yesterday and was very impressed. But for me (and I can only speak from my own experience), the SIG P365 has been a very solid and reliable platform. The slide continues rearward, picks up the next round, and shoves it into the rear of the still-chambered empty casing. Handgun and Patrol Rifle Instructor, a graduate of Trident Concepts Concealed Carry Instructor course, and a Modern Samurai Project Endorsed Instructor. As an engineer, itll drive me crazy until I do. Related Products; Customers Also Viewed; Related Products. I am wondering if others have experienced this. Did you notice wear on the followers in your mags? Blackpoint Tactical Holster IWB Sig Sauer P365 Right Hand Appendix Carry Black BlackPoint Tactical P365 SIG SAUER Black Right hand IWB 1.5 inch SIG insignia Appendix carry Concealment strut 1.5 inch belt Product color may vary due to photographic lighting sources or your monitor . Talking with other P365 owners, this seems to be a hit-or-miss issue. Thanks for checking out my review!! Stippling on the grip is effective and comfortable. Glad I stumbled across your superior review. Quick View. Is it an issue? Great review Riley. Thanks for a balanced fair descriptive overall right on the money review. Wizardry!! Trigger bar?? I think many of these are ammunition related especially in the case of steel and aluminum-cased cartridges. I have not experienced any FTLs with either of my 2 guns. It is a TINY gun but yet somehow I am still able to shoot it like a gun thats twice its size?! I find it fits my hand wonderfully with the 12 round mags (I bought 3). Besides the trigger weight, smoothness, and break being good, the position at which it breaks is part of the secret as well, I think. TAC PACKAGE FOR ALL Smith & Wesson M&P (except Shield) $ 400.00 - $ 470.00. Ive seen almost every type of semi-auto have this type of issue at least once. It just feels good in my hand. My family knows I will put myself between them and the danger. I ordered the Sig ITP holster for it so Ill try carrying it that way to see if I like it. Neither one would run reliably with them. Talking with a few people over there, I think hindsight is 20/20 and they feel like it could have been handled better or differently, but I have seen many people accuse Sig of some pretty dark stuff. The little gun with big gun performance. RA9T? The P365 is a micro-compact size semi-auto handgun with double stack 10+1, 12+1, and even 17+1 available magazine capacity depending on the specific model. The P365 has a raised mag release button which shape follows the contour of the grip. you mentioned failure to lock back issues, and mentioned having a proper grip so thumb doesnt interfere with slide stop. My first trigger press surprised me as I wasnt expecting it to fire so quickly and easily. This OEM laser sight slots right on to the Sig for a low-drag draw that paints a red laser dot right on the target. While a manual safety is not my preference on a gun like this, as long as you train to subconsciously manipulate your safety, I see no problem with you going with the manual safety version of the P365. I would recommend staying with the 9mm just because terminal ballistics are a bit more consistent and there are more quality defensive loads available than .380 ones. The rubber grips are very versatile and are ideal for both concealed carry (CCW) and open holster carry. Local gun range/store had a sig day today with sig rep on site. They are stiff, no doubt about that. Just traded my Glock 43 for a used, later gen 365. It is short and distinct. All projects are user-submitted and showcase a variety of CERAKOTE colors, techniques and more. The P365 takes some of its design cues from P320, X-Series pistols. Does it live up to the hype? I know you said that the bullets But even if I couldn't get a full grip on it, I never once felt compromised in shooting the gun well, unlike other competitor's guns. I dont have a bunch of money but I would rather have a few great guns than just more guns. I was on the edge on my seat the whole read. Right out of the box I knew it was going to be a keeper. 16 shots later, the same thing happened. I think the reply you received from SIG Customer Support sounds ridiculous, but perhaps you have a bad mag/follower/spring. Thanks again for all the work. No doubt the 147gr Ranger is a good round. Everything I wrote above is true. As for decocker, as long as you have solid safety discipline and carry the gun in a quality holster, you should have no issues. Thank you for your understanding. I have used only quality ammo, ie. I suppose it is possible, but let's first establish that the firing pin itself is much harder than any primer. I find I have to shift my grip away from a shooting grip in order to release it. Its compact and comfortable for concealed carry. The pistols Ive mostly used have been 9mm and .22. I carry mine daily but I shoot good ammo in it. (not much) but some. Some of it could have been ammunition issues, but I think there were some legitimate concerns. Or maybe yours is still breaking in. Some guns are just more picky. I dont risk my life for their financial well being. Sig says it has a 6- lb trigger. (I have fairly large hands.). Your review is well written and entertaining. The P365 premiered at SHOT to critical acclaim. Some early guns were affected by faulty night sights. Perhaps it will settle down in time, and soon you will have no problem shooting your preferred round choice. Reliability at the end of the day trumps all design. The grip issmall enough that virtually any adult hand and thumb can reach the mag release even if designed as described above. Of course, it is entirely possible there just happened to be a failure between the magazine follower and the slide stop. ENHANCE DUTY PACKAGE WITH BIG DOT OPTIC CUT FOR GLOCK 43 43X 48 MODELS . At any rate, your great review tips the scales for me to go ahead a summer carry gun (in a decent holster) w/ 10 or 12 of 9mm? So I have had to relax my support hand grip slightly to avoid this. All rights reserved. Bottom line : Great pistol, just forgo the crappy pak deal. MGW carries many replacement slides, barrels, grip modules, sights, FCUs, striker assemblies, extractors, pins, springs and other small parts for this handgun which includes the P365XL, P365X, P365-XMACRO and other variants. I have had them all from Kahr to Ruger to shield to XDS. . While I have seen a few malfunctions occur, and some seemed to experience more malfunctions than I did, including brass-cased ammunition, I can still count the TOTAL number of malfunctions witnessed in all these other guns on less than two hands. Sig Sauer P365 Subcompact 9mm Luger 3.1in Black Nitron Pistol - 10+1 Rounds - Sig's pistols are engineered to perform anywhere, at any time, and under any circumstance. My first, The rear notch sight in use works more like a blacked-out rear sight in daytime use, but it also has two tritium dots that show up very nicely in low light. Outstanding, comprehensive review. ( 22 customer reviews) $ 100.00 - $ 170.00. No idea if it will get on the approved California list. Jun 20, 2020 Yeah, I picked one up Monday, and it is an Academy exclusive. I disagree with your implication that SIG did not do enough due diligence in their design and development on this firearm. Less then 50 rounds and had trigger bar break. I regularly witness malfunctions from a variety of semi-automatic handguns, including Glocks, Smith & Wesson M&Ps, Rugers, etc. I am not sure what to make of this because my experience with several different P365s has been quite positive. Thanks for your honesty. Yes, but we recommend having a gunsmith do the work. It breaks before the finger can overwrap the trigger, causing any disturbance to the aim of the gun before it is fired. I LIKE shooting it! They are good, serviceable tritium-based sights, far better than what many firearm manufacturers put on their stock pistols. Love the 365. (Multi-Threat Response) holster is another favorite of mine. I think 99% of these are shooter-induced. I should have checked this before purchasing. I have been carrying a Glock 27 since 1995. Price $15.95. I am writing to thank you for your well written honest in depth review. If you are able to shoot a short video of you loading a magazine demonstrating what is going on there, that would be very helpful for me. I had 12-15 failures to battery within the first 64 rounds. Small hands. thanks. Two men I know with solid and extensive experience with the military and police, have HIGHLY recommended the Sig. The extension and baseplate are part of the patents issued with this new design. Erica. Seems like something else to drag on your clothes, although SIG has done a great design job. This photo shows what primer drag looks like. Please enable cookies to experience the full potential of CERAKOTE. Cerakoted in your choice of color. It is a small gun, to be sure, so I expected it to be snappy. I fired an additional 3,000 rounds through the two guns throughout the remainder of the summer, about half-and-half. The length of pull has an outstanding balance. So heres the big question: can I be comfortable that if I have to use this particular P365 in a life and death situation that it will perform with the 147 gr. I love my P365. Ir is big task and we are bigger than the challenge. For you, the stippling is a little rough, but to me I think it is about right and could actually be a little more aggressive. Riley, Sig Sauer Lima P365 Laser Sight. I dont know; Im just thinking here, which can be downright dangerous at times! If it fails, Im probably through. I just bought one of these for daily carry. The bright rear sights are invisible in lower light situations, and, at night?no use at all as, unless I stare intently, I cant see anything but a very, very, dim pin hole bit of the tritium green glow. SIG P365 XL Vera Blue 12 RD Satin Aluminum Vuurwapen Mag R . When our children grow up, I want them to have access to a gun in case of an emergency. How does this compare to other well-established firearms? Excellent write-up. Placing it in my hand, I was immediately surprised at how good the grip felt. We sell the Uplula in our online store. Do you recommend any companies in the Denver area? Are you married to the 147gr RA9T? It FILLS the hand, and it FEELS excellent! Strike Slide for SIG SAUER P365 - Black. Mine is a July or August 2018 model. Wow, this is probably the best review of the P365 I have seen yet..but I am still on the fence as to buy one or not though your final summary gets me one step closer. God bless America and our freedom to defend our freedom. I contacted Sig, and Amy Lord, Customer Service Team Leader for Sig Sauer, advised me that due to the mag design on the double stack mag, every 3rd or 4th round will hang up if you pressed on the front of the bullet when loading the mag; it should not hang up if you pressed on the middle or back of the bullets when loading. Most people dont realize that all the added updates takes up the cost of the lesser one. Sig Sauer P365 Macro Pinky Extension WITH ADAPTER for 10 and 12 Round Magazines. Wanted a p365 bitone with bright stainless slide finish for well over a year. In contrast to FTF (Failure-to-Fire) and stovepipe malfunctions that generally only require a Tap-Rack to clear, you can see how this double-feed malfunction can cost a shooter some time to clear it when they might not have that much time in a fight. Brand: Sig Sauer. But theyre also freaking out over some other aspects of the pistol, and not necessarily in a positive way. Due to the nature of this, it is a little concerning that WHEN the P365 experiences a failure, the double-feed malfunction occurs at a higher rate when compared to most other handgun platforms. While those are the basics of the gun, they don't tell the whole story. But Im not shooting junk! How exciting, the possibilities!! The front sight is a tritium vial surrounded by a bright green circle that is very easy to pick up in rapid strings of fire. That is great news, had no idea. It is rare to see such complete detailed reviews, there always seems to be something missing but not in this instance. I personally feel that a failure rate of no more than 1 in every 500 rounds is an excellent standard. great review riley.mine has a early march date,which makes it one of the first releases.i ran about 3000 rds through it give or take and I did break a striker.sig paid for shipping both ways and replaced the striker and gave me a new slide.until that happened,i have had no problems except for running steel cases.the steel cases just seem to expand and get caught in the chamber sometimes.great little pistol.i hope from here on in it holds up.i plan on testing it hard.. Are you aware of the reason(s) for the P365 not being on the Calif sales list, other than the BS we have to go thru on every issue? Its still a little early to answer some of that as far as the actual optic. If so, I would appreciate some suggestions on what loaders work well with these magazines. Select the "Specialty Services" for: Detailed Emblem, Custom Engraving, Saftey Cutout, and add them to cart seperately.Sig P365 Grip moduleYour order will include a new grip module in your choice of color selectedSolid = Whole grip one colorTwo Tone = The grip areas masked off and left black and the emblem coated and detailed to match grip The magazines are well-constructed metal-bodied, double-stack magazines. They may not notice its an issue just by looking at their grip, but I suspect due to the small, lightweight gun that the 365 is rotating, the slide stop up into their thumb. Compared to the smaller original model, the XL's sight radius is 0.7 inches longer. There is much attention to so-called primer drag, where the striker remains in contact with the primer as the barrel begins unlocking from the slide. 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