The __gads cookie, set by Google, is stored under DoubleClick domain and tracks the number of times users see an advert, measures the success of the campaign and calculates its revenue. outside the years indicated on this list, please let me know. 4000000. There are lots of variations on the Martin theme, and below are the ones that I think you should consider. 10M Bb Tenor If you have an undamaged and completely original Conn neck with or without the stamp and also know how to use calipers correctly and feel like helping out, please send me the following measurements in thousands of an inch: A: the inside diameter of the neck cork end - 237xxx for the alto and included the underslung octave key This cookie is installed by Google Analytics. Silver plate commands a 20% premium; gold a 30% premium. Antoine Joseph (Adolphe) Sax 10 Rue Neuve-Saint-Georges Paris, Antoine Joseph (Adolphe) Sax 50 Rue Saint-Georges Paris, Antoine Joseph (Adolphe) Sax 26 Rue de Rocroy Paris, Antoine Joseph (Adolphe) Sax 39 Rue de Dunkerque paris, Antoine Joseph (Adolphe) Sax 56 Rue Laffitte Paris, Antoine Joseph (Adolphe) Sax 6 Rue Lallier Paris, Wonder Improved - Elkhart IND & Worcester MASS, Wonder Improved & Wonder Perfected - Elkhart IND, Slant Signature Special - Stainless Steel, 1875 C.G. a list of model numbers for Conn saxophones from the 20th century. refreshing change. Much better horns than the 22s and 26s. > Silver & Gold (1) example). The horns made during that time are almost all Transitional 6Ms, identical to later 6Ms except for certain neck details (not all known, as summarized above) and, of course, the swivel thumbhook. Soprano curved $1800 rolled-tone-hole (HP), Eb Alto Naked Lady with > Satin Mine has the Naked Lady. and are not included)(5): These horns all appear within a few hundred serial numbers of each other right around 235,000, in both alto and tenor. View similar gear from other sellers on Reverb. I think this finish choice is possible, Although the word transitional is a word that has been applied after the fact by saxophone enthusiasts, it may be more appropriate to refer to these saxophones as the New Model, because, The Very First Transitionals- The New Model. Necessary cookies are absolutely essential for the website to function properly. Baritone $3300, SUPERBA II -the 26M Connqueror series beginning in 1935 (also offered with an optional overslung neck ofyet anotherdesign) More info: All Rights Reserved. You are very sure there is no model number there. 1927 catalog. inlaid finger tips, pearl rollers. Inside of bell engraving background, keys, posts and ferrules features of the past such as rolled tone holes; Resopads; it seems that when some people brought in their old Conns Thus, M= sax, O=flute, N=clarinet, D=French horn, etc. This cookie is set by DoubleClick to note the user's specific user identity. Up until 75XXX, no rolled tone holes. found a website that lists conn serial numbers up to 1968. if i read it right it says that numbers starting with the letter "m" were seconds. VII No. Make of that what you will. Tenor $ 3600, Many thanks to Ray Noguera of Laconia Music Center; Matt Stohrer of Stohrer of Stohrer Music; Jason Dumars of Dumars Engraving; and Curt Altarac of MusicMedicfor the generous use of their materials on this site, 2014 Saxgourmet, an outreach of Steve Goodson Woodwinds. its ear! This cookie, set by Cloudflare, is used to support Cloudflare Bot Management. Very Good items may show a few slight marks or scratches but are fully functional and in overall great shape. 6, 1882 C.G. chromatic F# touchpiece changes from teardrop to bar Bare Brass (4) Baritone $ 3400 has no chromatic F# > Alto $ 2800 The others were still basically True Tones. It was not moved to Nogales Arizona or Nogales Mexico. More than with any other model, condition is everything. NEW ARISTOCRAT 255XXX 270XXX Alto $ 2100 The Conn 6M Transitional Saxophone The name 6M "Transitional" is a blanket term applied by saxophone collectors and players to the alto saxophones made by C. G. Conn Ltd. during the period of evolution from the New Wonder Series II alto saxophone to the 6M "Artist" alto saxophone. engraving choices you could get or Conn engravers just got Goodson's Conn This is why there are noticeable clusters of production for horns like the Buescher Tipped Bell soprano, the King Zephyr Special, the Conn 26M, the Selmer Dorsey Special they are different enough from the other horns being produced at the same time at the same factory that we can begin to outline the batches. 400 SERIES 291XXX - 381XXX . WONDER through 150XXX are used by permission. Although the dates in these charts are reasonably accurate, there may be some discrepancies for various reasons. necessarily indicative of a "Transitional" horn! The widely available original Conn brass serial . It is my opinion that the Conn 6M Transitional is a fantastic buy in vintage alto saxophones. > Silver Usually seen in silver. I No. Gold Plate (0) rolled-tone-holes, Eb Alto Connqueror with rolled-tone-holes, Bb Tenor Connqueror with rolled-tone-holes. There are, of course, a very few Super 20 baritones, some with silver necks (add 15%) and I have seen one with a silver bell. There is a very good reason that demand (and prices) for these horns is so high: although not without their quirks, these are wonderful instruments. This is NOT original. These terms had appeared on certain 26M Connqueror altos as early as 1935, so possibly the 6Ms were reusing old tooling. . Of course, this is The Big Daddy Rabbit With the Fuzzy Tongue. Add 20% for silver. left hand pinky table completely redesigned, low B and Bb both one-piece keys SUPER 11951 18700 It is near mint condition, even though it is 75 years old! The evolution Theyre almost always seen in satin silver. thumbrest on some models. They will always have a raised silver logo on the bell; brown rollers; a silver resonance ring under the bell rim; snap in pads and Norton springs, and an underslung octave key. is the change in design of the chromatic F# key and G# cluster, I have a customer who owns one. or Best Offer. Date Serial Number 1894 High Pitched Models 2,000 1895 2,000 1896 2,000 1897 2,500 1898 3,000 1899 3,500 1900 3,900 1901 4,400 1902 5,100 1903 6,700 1904 8,500 1905 9,600 1906 10,800 1907 12,000 1908 13,000 1909 No,No, the M prefix denotes the ARTIST models eg.M266xxxA (my late tranny/6M). Conn Tenth Edition Wonder Catalogue, 1885 C.G. There are quite a few saxophone serial number charts on the internet, these ones have mostly been adapted from existing manufacturers and saxophone enthusiasts charts. My personal favorite 10M (best ever) is actually only 2 serial numbers later than this one! These cookies track visitors across websites and collect information to provide customized ads. Its important that the serial numbers on the neck match the body. anyway if that is right does it affect the value of the vintage horns? Thanks to the person that assembled this! new mechanism which was far superior to anything seen before. Indeed, prefixing M for saxophone was probably done for the same reasons of record-keeping during the sax boom of the mid 20s. > Burnished Gold Plate (00), 10M for about what that horn would have cost today.). Search. Performance cookies are used to understand and analyze the key performance indexes of the website which helps in delivering a better user experience for the visitors. C melody $ 800 Ive also heard that the X could stand for a horn that was used by Conn as a floor model of sorts for their education outreach programs. say: "Relacquer? The Eb/C mechanism is genius; the articulated low C#/Bb mechanism should be on all horns. Baritone 12M $ 3600. The name alone inspires reverence. Inside of "art deco" engraving on the bell, but this is not There is no past damage, and there are no past repairs of any kind. and bass models (actually during the late New Wonder period) They are the best of the vintage baritones. TRANSITIONAL 240XXX 260XXX soon found their way to the tenor. The later examples have snap in pads and Norton springs. It is rumoured that there is a scam, by which somebody who acquires your serial number can then claim the instrument is theirs. The first character of the serial number indicated the decade; The second character indicated the month of the year; The third character indicated the year within the decade (defined by the first letter). This cookie is set by GDPR Cookie Consent plugin. Bare Brass (4) -around 270k, the engraving gets larger. > Silver 4100000. keys. Later ones have sculpted low Eb/C keys like the legendary S-1. Most, but not all, of these features Baritone Bb $7000 These horns can be a real bargain when you find a good one! They lost their rolled tone holes after WWII. Except for the Saxello, I cant find anybody expressing much interest in the Kings made before the Zephyr. prices of the earlier New Wonder models quoted on the appropriate MODELE 26 4451 11950 Tenor $ 7000 > Burnished The beautiful [About > Nickel Plate (6) Finally, As afore mentioned, This cookie, set by YouTube, registers a unique ID to store data on what videos from YouTube the user has seen. It has not yet been overhauled, and is pictured in its current state with pads that are about 50 years old. While Conn generally used the numbers to refer to finish, horns (regardless of any additonal art-deco filigree) until These are the first horns that really sound like Selmers. C melody $ 800 Tenor $ 3200 Lady" engraving (might have only been high pitch models. Take it for what you will. Conn Trumpet Notes Catalogue - Vol. This horn is set up for a . refers to Conn's change from the New Wonder series of horns After that, altos were simply marked 6M, probably without design changes. bell gold plated [and] burnished. a new alto was introduced which set the saxophone world on The British connection may explain also the less than revealing lady. 1, 1881 C.G. > Nickel Plate (6) Alto $ 2300 I think these horns are undervalued. > Satin Ok, on with the article. direct mechanical action. Soprano $1500 Sources:Allied SupplyMusic TraderConn Loyalist, 1980-1986 numbers are inexact, and may relate only to student level trumpets/cornets. We have this very nice Conn Transitional alto saxophone for sale. when dealing with the 1960s and later Conns it is good to provide a photo of the horn. My late transitional is zippier and slightly brighter. Gold Plate (00), 12M Conn Trumpet Notes - Vol. is that right? > Silver If not, it could be this (rare, so unlikely) model: 8B Symphony Grand (Gustat). Tenor $1400 This is a Conn 6M Transitional alto saxophone in original silver plate with original case and mouthpiece in excellent physical condition with serial number 252xxx dating it to mid 1932. Conn never called these horns Chu Berry, but were stuck with the name. B: the inside diameter of the inner sleeve of the tunable neck (you will need to complete unscrew the tuner barrel to get to it) The bell keys switch from a split bell key design to left-hand design at about 245,xxx. Therefore they probably had a couple batches going at the same time, and thus needed a way to differentiate between the batches coexisting at the factory when they switched to a new process or modified the design in a non-obvious way, such as slightly different internal dimensions or something like that. (Note: The name 6M comes from Conns model number for altos at the time, and the 6M model number is seen in catalogs only until 1936, when Conn started stamping 6M on the body of the saxophone above the serial number.). The cookie is used to store the user consent for the cookies in the category "Performance". Bare Brass (4) Usually seen in silver. But what does the A suffixmean? 32. Track 1: Mouthpiece Comparison (x5) on a Conn Transitional 12M #245k: MC Gregory GALE 4M, Selmer S80D, Otto Link 6*, Meyer 6M, Steve Broadus Perfected Model > Satin Gold Plate (0) Ask the seller privately for the number and do a search for that instrument. - A horn 22M F Mezzo Soprano TRUE TONE 5XXX 254XXX Bass $ 7500. Heavily gold plated, hand burnished over all, pearl inlaid Eb Baritone For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. only gold-plated horns I have seen throughout this series 3811713 - 3821881. Stripe sets this cookie cookie to process payments. Tenor Typewriter $ 2400 Alto Low A $ 5000 Over the next few years, features would be introduced to Conns saxophone line that resulted by about 1934 in a saxophone that was light years ahead in craftsmanship, mechanical design, and intonation compared to the New Wonder Series II. MARTIN HORNS THROUGH 1933 LADY FACE/Naked Lady pentagram engraved on the bell. (It may possibly just have been the NATL neck, as at least one sax has been noted with both stampings). There are only alto and tenor horns in this series. Microtuners; and adjustable pivot screws; and added an entirely key was moved to the underside of the neck to protect it from Relacquers are generally worth 25% less than 100% originals. Plate (6) The difference between a well-overhauled 6M and a 6M with a mediocre job is huge, and to really get your moneys worth and see what makes these horns special they need to be in tip-top shape. It's a completely made up name, as Conn started This page contains a list of Conn serial numbers for brass instruments. If you find an C soprano $1000 I've seen a couple of horns refurbished that had most of the features of a New Wonder model, but with 0 - Artist Finish ("Satin Gold"): Heavily gold plated of 1927 and 1928 catalogs. They play much better! Copyright 1994 - 2023. Interestingly, most Conn serial number guides indicate that the 10M began its production by 260,xxx, so this is one of the very last few transitionals ever made. sand blast velvet finish, bell richly engraved, inside of Baritone $1800. This may just be paranoia as I have never heard of this happening, nor can I understand how it could happen. They will always have snap in pads and Norton springs. Please also note that "burnished" means "mirror-like" underslung octave key and redesigned octave mechanism Gold Plate (0) Nothing else is quite like it. And of course, if you know something I dont, share it! Baritone Magna $ 3600. IX No. Alto $ 1200 .Ive seen a couple of Committee models with sterling silver necks. ONE The cookies is used to store the user consent for the cookies in the category "Necessary". This Conn alto saxophone is a forerunner of the Conn 6M. Pristine examples bring top dollar. Finally after #278k (1937), all altos and necks are simply markedVIIIif they are marked at all. This can lead to what we call transitional models, which have some new and some old features. the only horn that had any DESIGN CHANGES was the Eb alto. You can see these in use in the above-mentioned Silver plated ones bring 20% more, Ive never seen a gold plated one. Baritone Zephyr $ 2900 Search. Bass $ 7000. Loyalist website. over all, pearl inlaid keys and rollers, bell richly hand-engraved. This is the first Buffet horn youre likely to see. So saxophones may not be numbered sequentially. fork Eb trill disappears The horns from 1933 (Handcraft Committee) through the early 60s (the Magna) can hold their own with anything ever made. ibid., 1927 catalog. Tenor $2200 The Transitional 6Ms, as theyre known today, are those altos with some portion of the 6M design, but without the 6M stamp. > Silver To me, I think that since the term transitional is unofficial, it is easier and make more sense to apply it as it is defined- therefore to all saxophones from the end of the New Wonder Series II line that have any of the new features that eventually end up on the 6M. If there was ever a near perfect design, I think this it. > Plate (2) that had most of the features of a "Naked Lady" We use cookies on our website to give you the most relevant experience by remembering your preferences and repeat visits. Plate (2) These are really nice players, much sought after. "TRANSITIONAL" 240XXX - 260XXX . . The third character indicated the year within the decade (defined by the first letter). - 263xxx for the tenor (considered the start of the "Naked 16V Eb Contrabass Sarrusophone. and pearl rollers. All 26Ms were stamped 26M to distinguish them from the standard model 6M. Less evident in the 1930's to protect the finish, but this was not index) with a model number that doesn't appear on this list or is produced There are a few silver (add 20%) plated ones, and a very few (add 30%) gold ones. page. The pattern stays the same, but it takes up a larger space on the bell. SUPER DYNACTION A famous example would be the early 30s Conn instruments. Comments, 0 bids. The earliest examples are stamped Serie 22. and have a unique side Bb mechanism. A swivel thumbrest Soprano $1500 pearl and pearl rollers Soprano $3000 Add 15% for silver, 25% for gold plate. [E]ngraving background, in keywork design. 20% for gold. Alto 6M $ 2000 horns stamped viii seem to play best Almost perfection ! Baritone Super 20 $ 4000. -the letterAat the end of most alto serial numbers in this period (andonlythis period) It just got a complete overhaul by Matt Stohrer, and it's the best playing 10M I've sold in years. By clicking Subscribe, I agree to receive exclusive offers & promotions, news & reviews, and personalized tips for buying and selling on Reverb. Support TTS - buy some of our exciting products: Why do people sometimes mask the last three digits of a serial number? of this website's content, please e-mail saxpics@gmail.com The 6M alto; 10M tenor; and 12M baritone are the famous naked lady horns. I have personally worked on two tenors and an alto built by Conn that were stamped with an X after the serial number. It's there. swivel thumbrest > Silver & Gold (1) keys, pearl rollers, bell richly hand-engraved. 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