The table below compares the recoil produced by handloads that approximate the performance of the Nosler AccuBond Long Range loads above firing the 190gr and 175gr bullets for the 300 Win Mag and 28 Nosler respectively when fired from identical 7 pound rifles. This is where it helps us to prove a point. The 28 Nosler is in the 7mm Rifle Ammo family. On the contrary, 150-180 grain bullets in 300 Win Mag can hold up to 1000 rounds. The 28 Nosler uses the same 7mm/.284 bullet size as other 7mm cartridges like the 7mm-08 Remington, 7mm Mauser, 280 Ackley Improved, 7mm STW, 7mm WSM, 7 mm Rem Mag and 7mm SAUM (among others). Specifically, the larger diameter .308 bullets used by the .300 Win Mag have just over 17% more frontal surface area (also known as cross sectional area) than the .284 bullets used by the 28 Nosler (.0745 vs .0633 square inches). I spend much of the fall hunting elk and success this year has been excellent. So its literally impossible to explain the cartridge ballistics for each point of the atmosphere. If youre an expert in this field, youve probably got your winner already. Others will last 800-1,000 rounds, but its unusual to hear of them lasting much longer than that with full powered ammunition. But it has been tested that H1000 helps you get the most out of your cartridges. Weve previously said that were comparing the bullets in 10mph wind speed. 300 Win Mag, on the other hand, is a . The 300 Win Mag load firing the 190gr AccuBond Long Range has the flattest trajectory of the 300 Win Mag loads, but still has 7.2 (22.5%) more bullet drop at 500 yards than the most arching 28 Nosler load. The result is an offering from Nosler that redefines performance as radically now as the 270 Winchester did upon its introduction in 1925. Now lets move forward with our next feature. There can be a pretty big practical difference in 28 Nosler vs 300 Win Mag barrel life. What is your tolerance for recoil? The 28 Nosler carries more energy out to extended range than the 300 Win Mag, but the 300 Win Mag is still a really good choice for this role as well and many loads carry more than 1,500 ft-lbs of energy out past 500 yards. As one of the top big game hunting cartridges in North America, the 300 Win Mag is one of those rounds that all others are compared to as it reliably takes down elk, mule deer, whitetail, and antelope every hunting season. Do you want a hunting cartridge thats well suited for caribou, moose, elk, eland, kudu, orred stag hunting? Exactly when the barrel is unusable depends on the rifle as well as the hunter in question and what sort of performance they expect from their rifle. Winchester followed up with the release of the .338 Winchester Magnum and the .264 Winchester Magnum during the next couple of years. however, the performance also depends on whether youre going with glass bedding or free-floating. If I was starting from scratch and wanted an elk gun, the 28 Nosler would be on my short list. There is quite an ethical question of taking a shot at a game animal at longer ranges, as small miscalculations can result in wounding the poor beast and prolonging its suffering. The differences between the cartridges in terms of wind deflection are even more pronounced at longer range. Because of the flat trajectory, it will hit the target with great precision. Nosler initially made a name for itself in the hunting community by developing revolutionary hunting bullets like the Nosler Partition, Nosler AccuBond, Nosler Expansion Tip (E-Tip), and Nosler Ballistic Tip. Well, Nosler dove headfirst into the cartridge development world with the introduction of the new 26 Nosler cartridge in 2013. The 300 WM typically fires bullets between 150 and 220 grains while the 28 Nosler fires bullet weights between 160 and 185 grains. Like the 26 Nosler, the 28 Nosler also uses a modified 404 Jeffery case thats necked down and shortened to fit in a standard 30-06 length action. For a big game hunting rifle, you cannot go wrong with either the 300 WM or 28 Nosler. Although 28 Nosler ballistics are superior to those of the 300 Win Mag, most shooters will opt for the tried-and-true 300 primarily due to ammo availability. However, the 28 Nosler is a more niche cartridge and youll probably need to go to a larger or more specialized store to find 28 Nosler ammo in stock as many smaller retailers and local stores wont carry it. Nosler Ballistic Tip always looks good. An interesting data point to note is that the 200 gr ELD-X bullet for the 300 Win Mag had more kinetic energy at 800 yards (1,364 ft-lbs) than the 165 gr TTSX (965 ft-lbs) as well as the 28 Noslers 160 gr Ballistic Tip (1,241 ft-lbs). You can check the velocity, drop rate, energy, and windage here. Here comes another deciding factor, the price of 28 Nosler and 300 Win Mag. If any of these three features are what youre looking for, 300 Win Mag is your fit. That high velocity 165gr 300 Win Mag load comes close though, with just .8-1.9 (2.5-6.1%) of difference in bullet drop at 500 yards compared to the various 28 Nosler loads. The 300 Win Mag has been putting meat in the freezer since its release 1963 and can easily take an elk out to 600 yards. Cant set your mind for one yet? First, the 6.8 Western is physically quite a bit smaller than the other 2 cartridges. Dec 26, 2019 #4 Silvereagle50 WKR Joined Though we will not debate the ethics of long range hunting here, our advice is that you spend ample time at the range practicing at the distances you expect to shoot. Theres another concern regarding the terminal energy and that is twist rate. 28 Nosler vs 300 Win Mag: Quick Difference, 28 Nosler Vs 300 Win Mag: Head To Head Comparison. But in most cases, it has been proven that suppressors dont affect the velocity of the bullet. In the end, a lot of this decision comes down to personal preference, the exact game youre after, and the conditions of your hunt. The Big Game Hunting Blog is a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn advertising fees by advertising and linking to Amazon.com, Amazon.co.uk, Amazon.ca, Amazon.com.au, and other Amazon stores worldwide. Also, letting the barrel return to ambient temperature, after each shot can extend the barrel life. As we know, the atmosphere is forever changing. Before we get started, I have an administrative note for you. Almost any gun or sporting goods store will have a wide variety of .300 Winchester Magnum ammo in stock. Firing a 165gr CX bullet at a blazing fast 3,260fps, that particular loading is the flattest shooting 300 Win Mag factory loading I could find and I included it in order to compare the flattest shooting loads for each cartridge. One difference between these two cartridges is how each headspaces in the chamber. That 175gr AccBond Long Range load from the 28 Nosler really stands apart from the crowd with by far the most retained energy remaining at 500 yards (13-22% more than the other 28 Nosler loads and 15-43% more than the 300 Win Mag loads) and very nearly the flattest trajectory (only eclipsed by the 155gr 28 Nosler Terminal Ascent load by less than 1). All other things equal, a heavier projectile of a given caliber will be longer and therefore have a higher sectional density and consequently penetrate deeper than projectiles with a lower mass and sectional density. Winchester responded with the introduction of the .300 Winchester Magnum (also known as the .300 Win Mag or .300 WM) the following year in 1963. Minuteman. Next, while the 155gr Terminal Ascent load does have the flattest trajectory, 1 of difference in bullet drop at 800 yards between that load and the 175gr AccuBond Long Range is absolutely miniscule. The 28 Nosler in particular has a reputation for being rough on barrels (though not quite to the extent of the 26 Nosler). Well get into details of how all this translates into real world performance here shortly. When it comes to classic hunting rounds, there is none more ubiquitous than the 300 Winchester Magnum. Just seems like a 300 win is the better choice. Are you specifically hunting brown or grizzly bear? The hunting rifle selected for this comparison will be the Savage 110 High Country, as this is a popular bolt-action rifle for elk hunting and is offered in both cartridges for a true apples to apples comparison. Again: Im not necessarily advocating long range hunting here. However, that performance comes at the price of more recoil. 300 Win Mag has a muzzle energy of 3802 ft-lbs. If youd rather listen than read, click the appropriate link below to listen to this episode on your preferred podcasting service. On the other hand, you have 28 Nosler! From a comfortable and easy-to-use magazine loader to many more. It's at the smith now. The 300 Win Mag cannot be beat when it comes to ammo availability and rifle options as it has been on the market for over half a century. With that in mind, the 200gr Partition dips below 1,800fps between 500 and 600 yards, the 165gr CX is barely going fast enough to expand at 600 yards, and the 160gr Partition dips below 1,800fps just shy of 800 yards. Their overall length is identical while their case length is separated by a mere 0.03 (the 300 WM is longer). This holds true for both the 300 Winchester Magnum and the 28 Nosler. Length of Pull: 13.325. Neither are really good options for a truly compact rifle, but a 300 Win Mag with a 24 barrel will be a little easier to handle than a 28 Nosler rifle with a 26 barrel. We saw 28 Nosler getting a similar kind of advantage in twist rate when we compared it with 300 win mag. Now comes a big question, what is the maximum range for the 28 Nosler and 300 Win Mag? So what are you even waiting for? You can't go wrong either way. Surprisingly, 28 Nosler is around double in price than 300 Win Mag. Keep this in mind if your hunting rifle has a shorter barrel, as you might not be able to achieve the advertised muzzle velocities. The same goes with finding 300 Win Mag rifles that are less expensive. Just got some Peterson 300 WM "Long" brass to try. The 300 Win Mag has been the go-to cartridge for elk hunting for decades thanks to its ability to shoot heavier 190 and 200 grain bullets. Make sure you use premium, heavy for caliber 180gr, 190gr, or (ideally) 200gr bullets if you go that route. All other things being equal, the 300 Win Mag will probably have better barrel life than the 28 Nosler. The Lyman 50th Edition (p223-224 & p260-262) andHornady 10th Edition(p574-585)reloading manualswere used as references for the history of the 28 Nosler vs 300 Win Mag cartridges. The 28 Nosler with that 175gr AccuBond Long Range load is absolutely a better choice for those who want the most power, the flattest trajectory, and the most resistance to wind at longer ranges. Free Recoil is affected primarily by muzzle velocity (FPS), powder charge, bullet weight, and firearm weight. However, that particular 300 Win Mag load is also starting to run out of steam due to the lower BC bullet it uses and has 2-20% less kinetic energy remaining than all of the 28 Nosler loads. This will adjust for the wind speed. However, when we compared the 28 Nosler to the 30 Nosler, we saw that the 28 Nosler gave a bit easier recoil. That said, this is an area where the 28 Nosler really starts to shine. Things are a little different with the 28 Nosler though, which is primarily available in higher end rifles that are best able to take advantage of the long range performance characteristics of the cartridge. However, both cartridges certainly have excellent potential for accuracy. External ballistics dont tell the whole story though and theres more to picking a hunting cartridge than kinetic energy, bullet drop, or wind drift at various ranges. The big bore .458 Winchester Magnum came along first in 1956. 300 WM: 210 gr ABLR will hit 1800 fps @ 825 yards with 1514 ft-lbs. The SAMMI chamber design for the .300 Win. Based on the grains and brands, 20 rounds of 300 Win Mag can cost you $35-60. This way you can be confident in your skills and equipment well before you ever set foot into the woods. This chart is just to show the difference between the windage. However, if you are a competitive shooter who needs to squeeze every fps out of a cartridge or enjoy having the best ballistics possible for your hunting rifle, then the 28 Nosler deserves a look. Finally, Nosler produces 28 Nosler ammo in the Nosler Trophy Grade line loaded with a 160gr AccuBond Bullet, the Nosler Trophy Grade Partition line with a 160gr Partition bullet, the Nosler E-Tip line loaded with a 150gr E-Tip bullet, the Nosler Ballistic Tip Line with a 160 grain Ballistic Tip bullet, and the Nosler Trophy Grade Long Range line loaded with a 175gr AccuBond Long Range bullet. 1st choice would be the 300 RUM. The 28 Nosler is also loaded to a slightly higher pressure than the 300 Win Mag (65,000psi vs 64,000psi). But in every other aspect, 28 Nosler is the easy winner. The .280 AI chamber design, on the other hand, leaves only 0.001 inch of play in the free bore. When it comes to big game hunting, you cannot go wrong with either the 300 Win Mag or the 28 Nosler. It is capable of firing bullets weighing up to 160 grains at velocities of up to 3300 feet per second. It is an "improved" .300 H&H with full-length (2.825-inch) case, body taper removed to increase powder capacity, and the signature Weatherby "double-Venturi" shoulder. One of the most prominent differences between the two is that the 28 Nosler fires a bullet diameter of 7mm or 0.284" while the 300 PRC fires the more common 30-caliber or 0.308" diameter bullets. On the other hand, the 300 Win Mag commonly uses bullets in the 150-220 grain range with 150 grain, 165 grain, 180 grain, 190 grain, and 200 grain bullets being most common. Because of a greater muzzle velocity and Ballistic Coefficient, Nosler 28 wins the velocity race. Too much overlap there so that idea got scrapped. That time period saw a flood of new centerfire rifle cartridges like the .223 Remington, .243 Winchester, .280 Remington, and .308 Winchester. On the other hand, 300 Win Mag can stay supersonic out past 1650 yards. It will get you 103% load capacity! Both 28 Nosler and 300 Win Mag bullet drops are almost the same in the initial phase. Hunting & Fishing 28 Nosler vs 300WM for elk. The .300 Win Mag is a larger cartridge than the .28 Nosler. The 175 gr Accubond has the highest SD at 0.310 followed closely by the 200 gr ELD-X at 0.301. For this comparison, we will analyze two popular options for each cartridge. 30 Nosler: Nosler = 99 gr. As the lands of the barrel erode at the throat, a handloader can measure the levels of erosion and adjust their bullet seating depth to match it. Also, I have a 6.5x284 for Coues and looked at the 6.5 PRC. This can create a lot of confusion among new shooters, so lets take four of the most popular factory loads on the market and see how they stack up against each other! Now I will be the odd man out that has never seen a. That 175gr AccuBond Long Range load in particular really sticks out as an outstanding choice at longer range. The differences between these cartridges become even more apparent at longer range, which is illustrated in the table below for those same loads at 600-800 yards. Heavier bullets can hold the life longer. The features are-. Copyright 2023 Big Game Hunting Adventures LLC | All Rights Reserved. When comparing all four factory loads, both 28 Nosler rounds were slightly faster at all ranges. I looked at the 28 Nosler but couldn't do it as there was too much overlap with my 300 Win Mag. 28 Nosler, 3,200 fps from 26" bl., 88-grs. And of course, the 200gr Terminal Ascent Load for the 300 Win Mag has a higher BC of .608 than the .586 BC of the 155gr Terminal Ascent loading for the 28 Nosler. The situation is a little different with the Terminal Ascent loads though. Furthermore, handloads can be tailored to your rifle to meet your specific shooting needs. It should be noted that most hunters will not shoot out a barrel for multiple seasons with either cartridge. Mag. During normal times, the 300 Winchester Magnum is the most common and easiest to find. Thread starter nexusfire; Start date Dec 23 . But 28 Nosler is comparatively better in every other aspect than 300 Win Mag. D Deleted member 46119 Guest Feb 17, 2017 #9 Longrang3r said: You might as well jump on the bandwagon as well. Once again, theyll both work really well in this role and situations like these are where they start to stand apart from other cartridges. Youve seen everything that sets 28 Nosler and 300 Win Mag apart. Sold the 28-Nosler because it was built on an R700 and I like Mark V. Have not taken game with the 308/26-Nosler (slightly different from the 30-Nosler) I prefer 300Wby to WM. At 800 yards, the difference becomes extremely apparent as the 175 gr Accubond LR bullet of the 28 Nosler had the flattest trajectory with only -127.7 of bullet drop, followed by the 160 grain Ballistic Tip with -132.8 of bullet drop. But 300 Win Mags drop rate is more than that of 28 Nosler. So, carefully analyze your potential needs before making a decision. Lets go ahead! Thats a sensitive topic and very few people have the skill to ethically shoot a deer or an elk at extended range. The 28 Nosler offers big game hunters a new cartridge with improved downrange ballistics and a flat trajectory at the cost of relatively short barrel life. Source: https://www.100daysinappalachia.com/. Handloaders can perform a technique called chasing the lands to help elongate the life of their barrels. Make sure you subscribe to The Big Game Hunting Podcast and follow The Big Game Hunting Blog on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, andYouTube. Weight: 7.5lbs. This will allow you 92% load capacity. In terms of cost, 300 Win Mag ammo will generally be less expensive with basic soft point ammo going for around $2/round and premium hunting ammo costing between $3-5/round. The 175 gr Accubond LR bullet for the 28 Nosler had the highest kinetic energy at 3,794 ft-lbs of force at the muzzle while the 165 gr TTSX for the 300 WM had the lowest at 3,566 ft-lbs. As were here, we hope weve been able to help with your 28 Nosler vs 300 Win Mag query. This will equate to roughly 3-4 grains powder difference between each when hitting pressure with H1000 and the 215 Berger in good chambers. Case capacity information for the 300 Win Mag and 28 Nosler was obtained fromChuck Hawks and Nosler. But as they cover more distance, the difference between the drops becomes more visible. Ballistics includes all the circumstances regarding the cartridge. At the same time, the 28 Nosler Terminal Ascent load is neck and neck with the 300 Win Mag Terminal Ascent in terms of retained energy, but the 300 Win Mag load is going over 200fps slower and has more than 3 feet (37.5) of additional bullet drop at 800 yards. You might be wondering, how can load capacity exceed 100%. In Laymans terms, load data means how much grain of powder charge your cartridge will need in order to acquire the maximum performance. That particular 300 Win Mag load hangs tough with the 28 Nosler because they all have one characteristic in common: a high muzzle velocity in the 3,100-3,260fps range. Your confusion regarding these cartridges should be cleared by now. Both are extremely effective deer hunting cartridges and will absolutely get the job done on medium sized game if you do your part. How far the bullet will go, the velocity after certain intervals- everything falls into ballistics. On one hand, you have 300 Win Mag. First, though the 300 Win Mag has a slightly longer case (2.62 vs 2.59), the 28 Nosler and 300 Win Mag both have the same overall length of 3.34 (same as the 30-06). So, which one to choose: 28 Nosler vs 300 Win Mag? This is especially true with the high velocity/high BC 175gr AccuBond Long Range load for the 28 Nosler. But let us warn you, this was just the tip of the iceberg. Reloder 33 Recoil: 39.64 ft-lbs at 17.86 fps Muzzle Energy: 3,980 ft-lbs Maximum Pressure: 65,000 psi MPBR: 398 yards (Zero at 337 yards, 3.59" high at 100 yards.) 300 PRC: Bertram = 89 gr. Both are great choices for long range shooting, but there are some important differences between them that you should be aware of before making a decision.The 30 Nosler is a newer cartridge that was designed to provide superior performance to the 300 Win Mag. 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